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One thing you've probably noticed about Australians is that we like to impress people by boasting about how deadly our snakes are. At the risk of being labelled un-Australian, I feel obliged to mention that this behaviour is not entirely honest. It's not that the snakes aren't deadly - while there's some scientific wrangling about the exact LD50 numbers involved, there's certainly no argument that Australia has lots of snakes with extraordinarily toxic venom.

No, the dishonesty lies in the implication that these snakes make Australia a terribly dangerous place to live (and, thus, that we are all tremendously brave for not packing up and fleeing to Ireland). In fact, across the whole country, snakes kill an average of about three people a year. Part of that is due to the work of some very talented scientists, like the late Struan Sutherland and the Commonwealth Serum Laboratory, in developing effective antivenines, but a big part of it is that snakes simply don't have much interest in biting humans. When they do, they often deliver a 'dry bite', without injecting venom, as a warning. (Venom is expensive to produce - why waste it on something you can't eat?)

So, how *do* people get bitten?

This is transcribed from a clipping from a Northern Territory paper; I've seen the clipping but don't know which paper it was:

A Darwin man told yesterday how his left arm was amputated after being bitten nine times by a deadly snake. Gordon Lyons said he almost died after his heart stopped three times on the operating table at Royal Darwin Hospital.

He spent seven weeks in a coma and was kept alive with a dialysis machine and a ventilator after a king brown bit his left arm two months ago.

Mr Lyons, who has not regained movement in his legs, said doctors revived him three times on the operating table. He said: "I'm lucky to be here right now." But I still can't believe my arm's been chopped off just for one snake. I still have my life and I guess that's the most important thing."

Mr Lyons said he was bitten by the snake, considered to be one of the most venomous, after he picked it up from the side of the road near Litchfield. Mr Lyons, who admitted he was drunk at the time, said he and a mate had been driving from Mandorah to Darwin when they saw it.

He said: "I remembered the guys at Mandorah Pub wanted something to put in their huge fish tank. "But I made the stupid mistake of grabbing it with my left hand because I was holding a beer in my right one. I had its head in my hand but it got loose and grabbed the web of my left hand - its fangs were that big it ripped my hand open.

"I tore it off me and put it in a plastic bag and threw it in the back of the car. For some stupid reason, I stuck my hand back in the bag, and it must have smelled blood, and it bit me another eight times."

Mr Lyons said he started vomiting and suffering diarrhoea "about three seconds later". He said: "My mate was trying to keep me awake by whacking me in the head and pouring beer on me."

Mr Lyons said his last memory was passing out, covered in blood, at the Noonamah Hotel moments before being taken by ambulance to the Royal Darwin Hospital.

RDH specialist physician Bart Currie said the venom had caused severe damage to Mr Lyons' muscles, which led to his left arm turning black and becoming "dead". Mr Currie said: "Of all the snake bites in Australia I'm aware of, this man is the sickest to have ever survived.



Any questions?

No, sir.

actually I've seen snakes (cpperhead, red-bellied black)whist sitting quiretly in the bush: they showed no sign of aggression

"But I made the stupid mistake of grabbing it with my left hand because I was holding a beer in my right one."

And people wonder where we get the Australian Steriotype from! ;)

The Northern Territory is... special. And it used to be far worse. Quoting from various sources:

"In 1998-99, one in every 263 adult Territorians was admitted to hospital with a serious alcohol-related injury. That was more than five times greater [sic] than the next worst, Western Australia, with one in every 1193 adults, while in the ACT, the figure was one in every 5106."

"...according to figures in a study for Tangentyere Council by Pamela Lyons, [in 1988] Alice Springs alcohol consumption was 37 per cent higher than the rest of the NT, and two and a half times the Australian average. Then the average consumption of pure alcohol per person in Alice Springs was 27 litres."

"By 1998/99 [following a government campaign to reduce alcohol consumption] the [Northern Territory's] per capita consumption of pure alcohol had dropped by over 21%, from 18.7 litres per person in 1990/91 to 14.7 litres." The program cost $18m to run and was estimated to have saved about 130 lives, 2000 hospitalisations, and $120m in health & safety costs.

Heh. There are parts of the States that are just as bad. My fiancee grew up in a very small town in the Mid West (redneck country he says). He claims 90% of serious accidents and deaths in this region all happen when someone says "Here, hold my beer a minute."

No, the dishonesty lies in the implication that these snakes make Australia a terribly dangerous place to live

All educated people know that the poisonous snakes do not make Australia a dangerous place to live.

It's the freaking poisonous spiders that make Australia a dangerous place to live, man! Snakes don't hide invisibly in the toilet, nor do they inject you with flesh-eating bacteria. Give me snakes that I can see and avoid instead of spiders in my shoes, anyday. :)

I can deal with redbacks, they're just black widows... but I'll admit to not being at all fond of either funnelwebs or whitetails. They're just not quite bright enough to understand why biting humans is a career-limiting move.

I can't imagine any situation where I would use the phrase 'just black widows'.

It won't be snakes that I'll be worrying about when I visit Australia. I've never seen a wild snake in the UK despite spending many summers wandering around the places they like to hang out, while the spiders like to get up close and personal. Plus I'm arachnophobic, so even harmless ones can cause...incidents. The idea of spiders that are venomous as well as terrifying is not a good one.

There are indeed a lot of creatures in Australia that can ruin your day with their fangs. If you head into the bush, there are even certain ants that should be respected, if not plain avoided. And let's not get started on the killers in the water... Just ignore anyone who tries to warn you about dropbears, bunyips or yowies. The good news is: the Tasmanian Devil is relatively shy & the Tasmanian Tiger is extinct... probably.

No questions, although I must remark that when you were talking about how unfair the perception of Australia fauna as being extremely deadly is, I couldn't help remembering that one scene in Interesting Times with Death in Death's library.

I can't remember the exact scene, but the phrase, "Some of the sheep" springs to mind.

That's the one. Basically, Death walks in and asks for the material on the dangerous animals of XXXX. Moments later, he's buried under an avalanche of books and scrolls flying from everywhere.

Oh, yeah - great scene! Thanks for the reminder - it's been a while since I read it.

There's also the Irregular Webcomic from a few weeks back: "That's a red mamba! The 301st most venomous snake in the world!" "301st? That can't be too bad then." "The top 300 all live in Australia." "Oh."

"Hi! I'm Johnny Knoxville, and I'm going to mess with a king brown!" (Cue music.)

     ha, how could one not think of south park...

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I have to agree with you. In five years of tromping around the Victorian outback, I only had two close encounters with snakes.

The first was a black snake (which, after a bit of googling, I am inclined to label a red-bellied black snake) which was found sunning itslef on the hood of the family car. It skedaddled once it heard us coming, and was long enough that there was still quie a bit of snake left on the hood (er, bonnet) as its head reached the ground.

I actually stepped on a brown snake once, and got little more than a dirty look in return. I doubt I would have received the same treatment if I had tried the same trick with a rattlesnake.

The thing I like most about Aussie snakes is the simplicity of their common names. Brown Snake, Black Snake... was Dr. Seuss secretly an Australian Herpetologist?

~j

That would make a good children's book :-)

I *knew* alcohol was going to get involved at some point. ;-)

I want to see the study on whether the snakes have had any measurable effect on Australian intelligence, myself. I think there's a lot to be said for having wildlife that's amazingly dangerous to people daft enough to mess with it.

According to a former Bronx Zoo curator whose name at the moment escapes me, the typical snakebite victim in the U.S. is a male, aged 18-35, who was intoxicated AND had attempted to handle the snake. Idiots.

Much the same here. I think male victims outnumber females something like three to one.

The only snakebite I know about of that happened to an acquaintance wasn't alcohol but extreme tiredness - the guy was an experienced wildlife ranger who kept pet snakes (and gave them the run of the house when he was away to discourage burglars). He came home after a couple of days without sleep, and tried to feed his tiger snakes at two in the morning. The snake accidentally struck at his thumb instead of the mouse he was trying to give it, and he had a very exciting time as a result. AFAIK, he blamed himself rather than the snake. He'd been bitten once before, but then he'd been keeping venomous snakes since he was a boy and handling them as a matter of course.